“Climate Change” will influence the timing on searcher’s season and I suspect snow will become runoff in April. Research of current weather patterns should reveal an early window which I hope to use for a quick in and out search for Forrest’s Trove.  My plan is to update this site as I go and by the end of my search all will know where and why I chose the areas I have.   I welcome comments and if anyone wants to be in on the chase vicariously stay posted.
Maybe they will read something I missed!  If they do they can partner up or go on their own journey.
I plan to be at my selections first but I will give followers a chance to look in the same area after my search.  I am offering what I think is logical.  If there are flaws, point them out, or use the info to refine your own search.

First step is to decide if Forrest is truthful or not.  If he is truthful then we can trust all that he says, if he is not truthful, then no one will find his treasure using info provided by Forrest Fenn.  Just one misleading clue is enough to keep everyone from finding  his treasure.  Forrest does say things that  exploit  people’s poor  listening skills and our weakness of repeating info correctly, a human fault demonstrated by the telephone game.  He enjoys pointing out this fault with his statement, I didn’t say I did … and I didn’t say I didn’t …   One example  his statement that the treasure is hidden somewhere north of Santa Fe which the news turned into a treasure buried somewhere in New Mexico, north of Santa Fe.  

I believe Forrest Fenn hid a treasure of great value and his hints/clues are meant to help a person find the trove.  I believe the poem goes in order and it is not encrypted.  Forrest said when the clues are followed precisely they lead to the end of his rainbow and the treasure.  He also said don’t mess with my poem and don’t over think it.  Encryption calls for a lot of deep analysis and a lot of messing around.  Hear what he said, follow the clues precisely and don’t mess with the poem.  Figuring out the poem is very difficult but not impossible.

Those of you who have looked for the treasure have experienced the perspective of “boots on the ground.”    Suddenly  finding a small box in the actual territory seems unmanageable.   “The map is not the territory.”  Walking an area is not equal to moving a computer mouse or a finger over a map.  To find something hidden usually takes being right on top of the item and moving things that block your sight.  Even a metal detector has to be within twelve inches, give or take a few inches, to signal the presence of metal.   It would take four hours to sweep a football field with a good metal detector as much of the ground has metal objects.

If you believe you are looking for a blaze on a tree you’ll have to walk all the way around each of the trees where you believe the treasure to be.  Up all the hills, down all the gullies etc. etc..  If Forrest gave clues to the treasure then maybe you can find it but only if the clues are very accurate.  “If you were wise and found the blaze” you know the exact  location of the blaze, which means you would not need to look for a blaze.  Forrest says the finder will walk to the treasure with confidence. Forrest did not say the finder will look in the correct area for the blaze because the finder will know where and to what the blaze refers and so will walk with confidence straight to the blaze.  Forrest said he would like to see a Texan drive his pickup truck to his secreted treasure which suggest a person will know the precise location before he or she leaves Texas if he or she is wise.

The starting place is Sante Fe, NM the treasure is north of there.  It is more than 300 miles west of Toledo, Ohio.  Forrest says the Toledo statement is not much help or  important.  I think he said this to help Northern New Mexico get some attention and  boost the economy.  If we stay with at least 300 miles west of Toledo we wouldn’t be in New Mexico.  Here is some history, people in Northern New Mexico and people from Texas are not the best of friends.  I am a Gringo who as a teen spent many fun nights in Red River, NM.  The Black Mountain Playhouse saw many a fight between natives and Texans.  I am sure things are different as I am referring to a time almost fifty years ago but to this day I don’t know a Texan who prefers any part of New Mexico over Texas.  If you are reading this Forrest, prove me wrong.  Tell me how New Mexico is a more important place than Texas.  I triple-dog-dare you.   That would be almost as good as finding the Chest.  I dated a beautiful lady from Texas.  I will never forget eating crayfish with her parents under a clear starry New Mexico sky.  I was surprised to hear how much better Texas is as we ate our New Mexico feast.  Hey, there is a rivalry between the two states.  Everything southeast of the Rio Grande was Texas before Texas became a state.  The southeastern corner of New Mexico is often called Little  Texas.  This native of New Mexico just cannot come to believe a Texan would hide his treasure in New Mexico.  Try reading Red Sky at Morning  a 1968 novel by Richard Bradford. It was made into a 1971 film of the same name.  The book follows Josh Arnold, a young man whose family relocates from Mobile, Alabama to Corazon Sagrado, New Mexico during World War II. ‘Or how about the Milagro Beanfield Wars Nichols is the author of the “New Mexico trilogy”, a series about the complex relationship between history, race and ethnicity, and land and water rights in the fictional Chamisaville County, New Mexico.[1] The trilogy consists of The Milagro Beanfield War (which was adapted into a movie of the same title directed by Robert Redford), The Magic Journey, and The Nirvana Blues.  

Bottomline I try hard to be open and aware of my own prejudices.  I do my best to respect everyone I come in contact with and I honestly work hard to be fair with everyone but I can’t believe the treasure is in Texas or New Mexico.  The logic I promised is missing for now but soon I will put enough fact together to support the whereabouts of the treasure  and  there in the facts will logically rule out  New Mexico.  Oh yes , lets give this Texan credit for helping a New Mexico business ( The Collective Book Works in Santa Fe).  Is the owner a native New Mexican or……. Just saying.

The first verse tells us he went alone and hid a trove in a place where he can hint about treasure both new and old.  Is Forrest’s comment that a secret between two people can only stay a secret if one of the two people is dead, a subtle hint?  I believe it is a hint.  A friend of Mr. Fenn who has past, may have been in on Forrest’s plan.  This friend may have offered land where the treasure is hidden.  Land offered for public use might include rules to follow certain wishes of the benefactor.  Rules about a treasure perhaps.  Treasures both new (Forrest’s treasure ) and old ( Spanish and French Gold) or gold claims hints to many areas in the southwest.

Begin it where warm waters halt.  This line is very important.  There is a subtle difference between warm water halts and warm waters halt.  A fishing guide can tell you that warm water halts where fish that need cold water to thrive live.  When water gets too warm the water is often closed to fishing.  This knowledge may lead some to believe Forrest is referring to a place where warm water halts where one could fish for cold water fish.   New Mexico and Montana both have such  features.  Did Forrest know that warm water halts  is a fishing term and for that reason wrote where warm waters halt.  Waters means more than one warm water.   This way it is likely to refer to geothermal waters and where these warm waters become cool.  If the warm water were dammed then warm water not waters is the better fit.

Put in below the home of Brown is a key to the poem.  It is the only capitalize word other than the words at the start of each sentence.  Notice it is not the Home of Brown.  This place to put in must be below or in a canyon that is below warm waters that is  too far to  walk  from where the warm waters halt.  Below this put in it is not for the meek with water high and heavy loads.  Mr. Fenn says he dumped his bike into a river where the water was high.  High water is a different way to say deep water.  Fishing in deep water means the water is high up on your waders.  Heavy loads refers to the overburden needed to be removed before the gold can be dredge.  If the overburden is heavy it has big rocks or boulders.  Heavy loads make boating hard and dangerous, add high water and this  place is not for the meek.  Meek, a pioneer in the area I will soon discuss, narrowly escaped from unfriendly Indians by following Tom Miller’s Creek.  This creek is just below a stretch of water Meek refers to in his diary as having boulders too large and water too deep for him to go up.  Meek was right he found himself just below Yankee Jim’s Canyon with only one trail through it and that trail is an Indian trail.  This is why Meek decided to go to Oregon instead of sticking around area.

The next verse starts “From there its no place for the meek the end is ever drawing nigh just heavy loads and water and water high.  Here is a riddle how can a place be not for the meek and be safe enough for a 78-79 year old man to go?  Here is another riddle how can “the end” be drawing nigh?  To be drawing means it is moving.  How can the end be moving?  This is the riddle inside the poem.  One more riddle still exist near the end of the poem but we are not there yet.  So first we must put in above the place Meek would not go and then get out before we get too far down the river where the danger awaits.  What is drawing nigh?  A creek named Sphinx Creek is just down the river  and to the left soon to be behind and left if drifting by on a  boat.  Nigh means near or and behind and to the left.  Sphinx Creek is drawing nigh after getting in the river at Joe Brown boat put in and it is just upstream of Yankee Jim.s Canyon which is the place Meek wouldn’t go.  There will be no paddle up your creek.  Notice he calls this creek your creek.  Why is it my creek?  I don’t own a creek so what would he mean by my creek.  Well it is the creek I cannot paddle up if I am following the poem to find the treasure.  It is my creek because this creek needs to be in my solve of the poem.  I have to go up this creek without a paddle.

Gardiner river has a group of hot springs running into it.  People bathe here.   Below, the river runs into a canyon joining the Yellowstone River.  The river continues through Gardiner Montana and on to Yankee Jim’s Canyon.  Forrest Fenn maybe hinting of Gardiner in his book when he refers to a dream he had about looking for Capt. Kidd’s treasure on Gardiner Inland.

There are many hunters who have gotten this far but they have run into a dead end or the box is gone.  I hope Forrest is right about knowing the treasure is still where he hid it.  Anyway the next line says if you have been wise and found the blaze look quickly down your quest to seize.  This is another clue not a dead end.  If you think a blaze is on a tree I wish you good hunting but I am not going to worry that you will find the treasure before I get to look.  Why, because you will be walking around every tree from where the Sphinx Creek leaves the river to its beginning about ten miles up the creek.  How wide your search will be is up to you.  I figure it will be a very long search as you round the trees for ten miles or so.  The end is ever drawing nigh does not mean the treasure is drawing near.  Remember the box cannot draw near and if it is a creek that draws near then the box can be any reasonable distance from the river.  Some searchers have been this far and spent two days with no results.  I spent time in the area myself and I did not find a blaze on a tree.  The poem doesn’t end here the wise will figure this out and understand that wise is a clue to the blaze.

In mid April I searched Spinx Creek,  I recommend this area as it is beautiful,  The Native Americans camped here on their way to getting obsidian for tool making.  The fishing holes nearby look under fished and inviting.  Beware, the bears live in the area.  There is an old cabin site about two miles up the trail with a swamp nearby (a cold swamp).  I did not look in every part of this field/swamp so be my guest.  On the way back from this cabin site I fond a blaze carved into a popular tree, it said 09 on it.  Wow, 2009 on a tree on Spinx Creek trail.  I only looked for a short time in the log covered stream down from this blaze.  One reason, I do not think the blaze is “09” and the second reason I was out of energy.  I just had three stints placed in my heart so I will return to this area to give it a much better look.  If you beat me to it good luck and please make a comment.

This is all for now.  I will be back again soon to share my next search.  I will be in Montana at the end of August.  I believe Forrest hid the treasure in September of 2009.  I think he hid it while attending the Black Bow Tie event in Cody Wyoming.  Forrest Fenn is connected to the Wild Bill Cody Museum  You can find me at the Iron Horse Bar and Grill having an Elk burger to die for.  I will gladly share my adventures over a beer with anyone in the Chase.  I would like to find a guide to help out with my next place of interest.  Make a comment.  I hope you will agree I am putting relevant info in this post.  Soon I will write about where and what the blaze might be as I update my coming adventure.

Time is speeding up as winter thaw opens the trails to Forrest Fenn’s Treasure once again.  A draft of what will be my best guess to Fenn’s end of the rainbow is in wait but not for long.  An ever growing number of searchers seem to be closing in on the whereabouts of Fenn’s special place and Forrest himself has hinted that the end is growing near.

I saw some hunters on my last trip but we were all in cognito.  No welcoming waves as we drove by one anothers cars and trucks.  I had to wait my turn on occasion to look amongst some possible blazed trees.  Now as we get ready to hunt again I read blogs that suggest that lots of people are looking in the same places.

So my mind drifts off as I imagine the perfect treasure hunt,  to the best times, when I dredge for gold and explored beautiful mountain streams for a glimpse of something gold.  The best moments where after the day had ended.  Diner cooking on a campfire along with hot coffee and tales of the days endeavors.   Chatting with new acquaintances as we soak our feet in the Corin Hot Springs while watching the sun paint the sky for the last time till morning arrives.  Sharing stories that sound like the fishing yarns my friends and I would embellish to tease each other.  One boasting of a secret hole where the biggest fish always got away.   Just the idea of sharing the porch overlooking the Yellowstone river as it runs through the canyon below while I sip a well deserved brew accompanied by my favorite elk burger with fellow explores, gives me a warm feeling.   Only one person will be first to the treasure but the chase is for all of us.  Soon I will be on the hunt just another dog in the chase but I’ll be dreaming of the perfect hunt and hoping to run with the pack,  howl at the moon and  share our thrill of the chase.

Those of you who are looking this spring and wish to share a story or two feel free to comment.   Just like the pioneers and trappers before we might gather in the spirit of the “Rendezvous ” of old.  Keep an eye on the weather for April could be the beginning of the end of the chase.  Use this opportunity to communicate and set up a chance to exchange ideas and stories.  Stay tuned for my best guess of where the treasure is and add your own ideas.  Take a deep drink of Forrest Fenn’s thrill of the chase and let it nourish your Inner ana Jones.

Much talk about someone named Ryan divulging his interpretation of the poem.  He claims to have solved the riddle and was or is going to quit the chase and publish his notes.  This has many chasers upset.  I think I now know what has gotten some followers to ignore my desire for their comments on this site.  I try hard to include something relevant on this site and I think that is an irritation to those certain few. This site is a place to share ideas and therefore an affront to those who get upset if a clue is revealed that may lead to the finding of the trove.  I am sorry they have come to feel this way.  Dal says if you say you have solved the poem or think you know where it is he won’t ok your comments and it will get you rejected from ever being on his blog.  Ok, its his blog so I got no problem with that.  His blog site is very good and I recommend it to anyone searching for the treasure.  He is not the only one to feel this way.  I have figured that at least 50% of those commenters on his blog agree that people who say they know something are to be left out.  To get oked a commenter must say it is his opinion or he is not sure but or such qualifiers before they make their statements.  Again ok, that is his privilege and I respect that.  I have an opinion on why people react so strongly to someone saying they know they are correct .  Here is what I have come to believe.

(1) It is rude to say you are sure of yourself.  Like the Greek story of Beowulf the hero comes in bragging on his ability to save the King from Grindle  and most of us cringe to hear a braggart but this is a cultural matter.  We are not supposed to be full of ourselves we must be like the English and be humble. Well, I am not English but like Beowulf I am Greek so maybe I have offended.

(2)  People looking for the treasure tend to believe they have ownership after putting in time to the search and think they will be cheated if someone gives away its whereabouts to someone they perceive to be less deserving than themselves.  The treasure is not anyones and the rules are not made by anyone not even Fenn at this point.  If people converge on an area given out by a website then enjoy the union, have a party just don’t dig.  Please don’t dig holes.  Please respect the mountains.

(3)  We all will be disappointed when it is found.

(4) If you have a hard time examining yourself you are warned not to read this fourth piece.  Psychologically we must all deal with our own unconscious as this is where most if not all anger begins.  All of us have in us our two-year old.  My two-year-old self gets frustrated when I cannot get what I want, ie solve the poem and just like a two-year old I want help but I still want to be the one to solve it.  If you have had children you know halfway through helping, the youngster gets frustrated because he now wants to finish.  Mad if you don’t help, mad if you do.  Hey we are all this way until we face it and work to handle the frustration in a mature way.  The thing is it will anger most of us because we are human.  So we look to get help then get mad if someone gives too much help.

Why do you look at, read and maybe comment on the blogs about Forrest Fenn?  If it is out of interest or entertainment then there is nothing that would insite you to anger but if it is to learn and perhaps get important info  please control the child.  You should not look for info and then be mad at those who give it out.  If someone’s answer to the poem ties you in knots you are the one needed to untie it.

I don’t want the whereabouts of the treasure revealed before I find it and I look at all the websites to find out what others think, so even though it hurts when someone divulges my secret spots, I remember thats how it works.  Seems to me everyone has choices.  Don’t read the blogs that share ideas or start a website that only allows lite chit chat.   This site allows both.  It is ” The Thrill of The Chase” getting there first is the goal.  If someone gives out the treasure’s hidden place beat them to it and win the race.

Here are some ideas to help others on their search.  Forrest says the box has dancing women on the sides.  He should know after all he bought the Roman lock box but there is another description that to me is the correct interpretation of the figures.  They are bricklayers wearing aprons and standing on ladders.  Now I have written about this before but never publish it.  I thought his women dancing referred to a place I have not yet checked out.  If you tie this in with the blaze and the Yellowstone it leads to a spot of interest. Sorry you’ll have to do some of your own work to know to what this refers to as I cannot get myself to just hand it out.  The biggest problem with this place is getting all the clues to fit.  I’ll give you one more hint.  If I wanted to fish for large browns in a place that few go but many walk pass this is a good one.

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If you happen to be near Pagosa Springs you might want to stop by the Blue Spruce at the bottom of Wolf Creek Pass.  I was there last August with my fishing buddies.  My second day there while enjoying some ribs and cold beer the owner of this beautiful resort sat down to join me and the conversation got around to Forrest Fenn.  To my surprise the owner had a very interesting story around the treasure.  A few weeks earlier a treasure hunter asked if he could empty the ice machine at the registrar’s office.  He even offered to buy all the ice in the cooler.  This being a rather strange request the hunter offered his theory on the treasure’s whereabouts.  Seems the hunter believed the treasure was in the ice machine.  I replied with all the clues in the poem and assumed they would rule out any chance of the trove being anywhere around Wolf Creek Pass but to my surprise the owner gave me examples of every clue.  Warm waters are nearby, there are two ranches owned  by Brown in the area and just up the road a waterfall  that freezes in the winter and somewhere nearby is a lost treasure left by a French troupe.  My interest peaked,  I started asking around and I got some great info at the Pagosa Springs sporting goods store   One of the owners there show me some maps of the area and told me how to get on the river near the Brown Ranch.  This is public land easily accessible by boat and or a hard to find turn out.  After looking for this turn out I headed back to get directions a second time.   This second trip I found the turn out.  After looking around I found an old gas line with a bleed off pipe about fifteen feet in height.  This is a pipe where you would see a large flame when the gas is burned off.  Blaze came to mind and you can bet I gave the area a good look over.  The owner back at the sports store said when he was last out in that area he saw an older gentleman walking around the area.  I plan to bring photos of Fenn next time I go and get the owner to tell me if that was who he saw.

This post never got posted till now.   I must of done something wrong and just missed it.   anyway the story is too good to leave it out.

Latest Quote From Forrest To Dal

Posted: December 13, 2013 in Uncategorized


“Winter is upon the Rockies from the Canadian border in the north to Santa Fe in the south, and the many lofty mountain tops that are jammed in-between. Most searchers have retired for the winter and are saving money for expeditions planned for spring when the mountain laurel will again bloom above 5,000. Others complain about the cold but continue searching favored locations. For those who are still active, please heed the rules that govern cold weather survival.

Some fireside researchers have ganged together on the blogs hoping to find flaws in my character that will miraculously lead them to the treasure. It is interesting also, that crazies continue to surface. I have emails from both police and doctors suggesting that I stay alert. Being Forrest Fenn is getting harder all the time, but it will continue to be fun as long as I have a tree to hide behind, maybe a tree with an f carved in its trunk.”  —  FF

Rarely would I reprint something that’s on another’s blog, but this is important and should be heeded. As for the following quote “Some fireside researchers have ganged together on the blogs hoping to find flaws in my character that will miraculously lead them to the treasure. It is interesting also, that crazies continue to surface….” I say Forrest Fenn has never shown me any reason to doubt his good intentions.  I do study Fenn, not for character flaws  but to watch for slips that give us hints to the way he thinks.  Let me be the first to say it is hard to be looked in the mouth after giving the treasure horse.  Unfortunately no good deed goes unpunished.  Those will get what they give.  Enough quotes.  Thanks for the warning Mr. Fenn and may you have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

To understand this post become familiar with earlier posts of hunts in the Lamar Valley.  The impression in a hollowed tree convinced me I had found where the treasure was hidden.  Only now have I concluded that it is not the imprint of the fabled treasure.  The print was perfectly smooth with a flat bottom.  I now believe the roman chest would leave a different  print than the one I found.

Another place now has my attention but I am not looking to get hyperthermic so I will wait till summer is here once again.  This place is at least worth looking into and at best the most supported site (by the poem) I have come to find. So how do I share this new revelation and still be the first one there?  Well, I’ll give out the ideas  that lead me to this new site but the site itself will remain unwritten.

There our blogs that for me were too far out to consider but  the truth may be in the world of the metaphysical.  Women on the top and sides of the box does point out a possible place when combined with some of the strangest tells of losing your sole if you open the chest.  The bronze box is also a hint.  A Ranger’s claim about a trail going behind high waters really tweaked my interest.  How the poem maps out a way to the treasure is very important.  If followed the clues will lead to the treasure but  this doesn’t mean the clues are linear.  Forrest says follow the clues in order but that does’t mean the clues take the reader in a linear route.  Example would be the clue put in below the home of Brown.  You may not need to go by the Home of Brown to put in below the home of Brown.  I think the Home of Brown is an area not a spot on the map. Forrest says he made the poem like an architect would, maybe he built the poem around the chest not to the chest. ” Begin it here warm waters halt”  but don’t walk from there, you walk from the blaze quickly down.  Maybe the blaze is a trail that leads to the last two clues.  Maybe to begin it refers to an area as does the clue home of Brown.  The ideas I have shared took me to the place I will explore next.  I have included these ideas in hopes of warming a vary cold place.

How about your trail any comments are like wood on the fire so warm our winter months with a word or two.

Winter is knocking, snow is falling and it is cold out there.  Cold too are the clues we hoped for on the Today Show.  The treasure is safe and under a white blanket so it is time for reflection.  Not much new info on the blogs as I can tell, so I thought I would put out some new ideas to kick around.  First a few questions: Why has the Today Show stopped airing the monthly clues?  How can Fenn be sure the treasure will be waiting for us in the spring? Does Fenn’s statement about the treasure (saying it was not buried) mean anything?

Okay, here is some info you may be able to use.  There is an old road from Mammoth Springs to Gardiner.  This road may be hiked and at times auto travel is also allowed.  The road is seldom used and mostly unknown to visitors of the Park.  There are a number of clues in that area, and it could be passed by on the way down the canyon.  Joe Brown lived in Gardiner with his wife. He also lived in Cinnabar just north of Gardiner and mined just south in Bear Gulch.  Uncle Joe also lived in Cooke City outside the north east gate of the Yellowstone. This is the gate closest to Cody Wy. and Cody is frequented by Forrest.  Now for you history and art buffs, keep in mind that the poem has many references to people’s names and places. For instance, the Wise River off the Madison, not far from Firehole;  Brown who painted the Mammoth Springs, and Ranger Brown of the Yellowstone.  There it is, some old and some new ideas.  I have three new places to look and one is closer to Mammoth than it is to the home of Brown but it fits with Warm Springs up at Silver Gate. I feel Forrest took a drive in the fall after attending a meeting in Cody.  He went into the Yellowstone and hid the treasure within 500 ft of the highway , and got back in time for lunch with his wife in Cody.  Am I sure of this? No, but that’s my intuitive side being expressed.

I wonder why bloggers who follow my blog are not making comments here, on this blog?  If there ever was something that I have written to offend please let me know and I’ll make amends.  Finally, I would like to team up with those looking in the Yellowstone.  I believe it is near or in the Park.

Please, someone start a blaze and warm up our winter. Give us something new to get excited about.